Bruce, come over and take a shot at free speech, you might like it

[TAKnipe]

At the considerable risk of incurring the wrath of Tom; I don't see 24 bit samples, so what exactly are the groundbreaking features here? A hex rack?

And what do they save by not including the 512MB of sampling memory; about $16?


Bruce

Wrath, its not the topic that brings wrath its the sarcasm and contempt that drips through your posts. Its the condescending way you ask a question or phrase your thoughts. If you would like to discuss it further you could always join edrumforum where there is no topic or language off limits. Free speech is alive and well there and with no fear of repraisals, ask anyone.

Anytime a company is first to do something it is groundbreaking.

Hex rack
3 triggers through a stero cable throughout the 15 inputs
sampling in a drum module
layering - alternate or stack
Multiple velocity layering
usb mass storage

I am sure there are more but I am also sure that you poured over the manual allready Bruce.

I am sure that you would agree that these features are groundbreaking in every sense of the word.



E.G. Marshall "The little lights arent twinkling Clark"

[BarT]

At the considerable risk of incurring the wrath of Tom; I don't see 24 bit samples, so what exactly are the groundbreaking features here? A hex rack?

And what do they save by not including the 512MB of sampling memory; about $16?


Bruce

Wrath, its not the topic that brings wrath its the sarcasm and contempt that drips through your posts.
Sarcasm and contempt? Where, for ****'s sake?


Its the condescending way you ask a question or phrase your thoughts.
I don't suppose you could be specific about what was so condescending?


If you would like to discuss it further you could always join edrumforum where there is no topic or language off limits. Free speech is alive and well there and with no fear of repraisals, ask anyone.
Thanks for the invitation. It's reassuring to know the hit squad won't be paying a visit because I dared to ask a question about a Yamaha kit.

Anytime a company is first to do something it is groundbreaking.
Well, if it's particularly impressive; yes. I don't think you'd call it groundbreaking if it's different but a heap of ****, would you?


Hex rack
It is a bit different, so perhaps if it works well. But I'd already worked that one out.


3 triggers through a stero cable throughout the 15 inputs
sampling in a drum module
layering - alternate or stack
Multiple velocity layering

I thought we were talking about the DTXtreme III. Didn't the IIS have all that four years ago?


usb mass storage
I guess that may be new for a drum module. (A Roland sound module with 23 drum kits had a USB port 5+ years ago: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM02/Content/Edirol/PR/SD-20.html)


I am sure there are more but I am also sure that you poured over the manual allready Bruce.
No, is it available? Waiting for that may be the only way to find out what it can do, if asking actually upsets people.


I am sure that you would agree that these features are groundbreaking in every sense of the word.
I think there is only one sense of the word: "Characterized by originality and innovation". But so far it seems to me that the only features which could fall into that category are an unround/unsquare rack, and a USB port.

If there's more, please enlighten me.


Bruce

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Bruce and welcome to the forum.
Just in case you want to look at the DTXtreme III's manual, it can be viewed here......
http://www.dtxperience.com/dtxt3_en_om_0.5.1_1212.pdf
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[BarT]

Hey Bruce and welcome to EDrumforum, You should feel welcome here since you helped build this place. I am not kidding when I say that. About a year or so ago I received an anonomous email about a topic that was on the table to ban me as a member from VDrums. I have never revealed that and to this day I still dont know who sent the email but I owe that person very much. So in essence the person who pushed for me to be banned was indeed the creator of this forum.
The only time I ever hinted at the possibility of you being banned was when you started plugging, in your VDrums signature, your forum which then consisted of one very negative page. So the sequence of events was very much the other way round. It appears that "anonymous" person was not giving you the whole truth.


So here we are, free speech, no political correctness, no topics barred from discussion its kind of the antithesis of everything that I thought was wrong with VDrums in the past. So as long as you dont say anything illegal no harm can come to you as a member.
With the exceptions of profanity and politics, there's completely free speech at VDrums. If you had 15,700 members instead of 80 then you'd probably find you needed some rules here too.


The Yamaha DTXtreme 3 is the most technologically advanded drum module ever built. Just as the dtxtreme2s was when it came out. The features that were groundbreaking then have been expanded such as sampling and layering.
So it was the 2s which was "groundbreaking with features never before seen in a module". In that case I can give up looking for anything really new in the 3.


You didnt need to add the bit about my wrath, theres no need and it was sarcastic. If you dont care for me just move along.
The first time I asked about groundbreaking features, you answered but didn't mention anything new. Then someone else asked about "all the new cutting edge features" and you just accused us both of your predicted "slagging". By that stage it was fairly clear that all we would get from you was criticism rather than facts, so the "wrath" prefix to my next attempt was a prediction not sarcasm.


I generally dont have any problem for you except when it comes to your duties as a Mod and from posts where we have had some disagreements and the underlying theme seems to be more personal and or from our opposite political affiliations.
What problem do you have with my duties as a Mod? Just that I am one?

On the rare occasions we have disagreed you have always automatically assumed it was personal or political when nothing could be further from the truth (from my perspective).


Another observation from my point of view is that whenever having posts that directly answer each other you seem to always be negative whether its downgrading an idea for a new product or downplaying a new product that doesnt have any Roland affiliation. Maybe you feel that Roland has done it all and are angered that anyone else has the unmitigated gall to offer something different.
I have never been negative about something just because it wasn't Roland, or been positive about something just because it was Roland. I have criticised Roland for all manner of things, and have even managed to get a few corrected or improved. The anti-Yamaha thing at VDrums is a figment of your imagination.


The goal with this forum was to not compete with any forums but to have a place that was less brand centric and a place where you could say whatever you wanted and not get banned and also a place to go if you were succesful with your bid.
There was no bid and you already had this place anyway.


Bruce

[TAKnipe]

Hey Bruce and welcome to EDrumforum, You should feel welcome here since you helped build this place. I am not kidding when I say that. About a year or so ago I received an anonomous email about a topic that was on the table to ban me as a member from VDrums. I have never revealed that and to this day I still dont know who sent the email but I owe that person very much. So in essence the person who pushed for me to be banned was indeed the creator of this forum.
The only time I ever hinted at the possibility of you being banned was when you started plugging, in your VDrums signature, your forum which then consisted of one very negative page. So the sequence of events was very much the other way round. It appears that "anonymous" person was not giving you the whole truth.

I purchased this site after some curious and what I thought to be unfortunate series of events at VDrums, I simply pushed the envelope, it was determined that someone else could use their signature to promote other such sites. When I dont like something or want something to change I react differently than others. I have no problem pushing the status quo or challenging what I see as being wrong. So what your saying is that what you folks didnt like was the negative conotation of the opening page before the site went up? Funny I was never approached about it

So here we are, free speech, no political correctness, no topics barred from discussion its kind of the antithesis of everything that I thought was wrong with VDrums in the past. So as long as you dont say anything illegal no harm can come to you as a member.
With the exceptions of profanity and politics, there's completely free speech at VDrums. If you had 15,700 members instead of 80 then you'd probably find you needed some rules here too.

You forgot your other favorite target (Religion) which is exactly what started this, when I referred to your job as a mod I specifically am speaking of a thread involving easter. I thought the silence and inaction was horrible. You just sat there and did nothing. Let thos MoTards run at the mouth about the DaVinci Code and all kinds of disgusting unfound items. It appeared to me you wouldnt even protect your own there. Stuck with me and I never let it go. Before that I never said a thing but in a period of about 12 hours that changed my mind about some of you.

The Yamaha DTXtreme 3 is the most technologically advanded drum module ever built. Just as the dtxtreme2s was when it came out. The features that were groundbreaking then have been expanded such as sampling and layering.
So it was the 2s which was "groundbreaking with features never before seen in a module". In that case I can give up looking for anything really new in the 3.

Like I said, they took the groundbreaking features and made them better, I am sorry you dont find them thrilling. Mayber you dont understand how groundbreaking they are. 3 zone triggers throughout utilizing only a stereo cable maybe hard for some to understand. It was new and exciting when it was only 7 inputs but now it is expanded to all but one thats new and exciting.


You didnt need to add the bit about my wrath, theres no need and it was sarcastic. If you dont care for me just move along.
The first time I asked about groundbreaking features, you answered but didn't mention anything new. Then someone else asked about "all the new cutting edge features" and you just accused us both of your predicted "slagging". By that stage it was fairly clear that all we would get from you was criticism rather than facts, so the "wrath" prefix to my next attempt was a prediction not sarcasm.

It was spill over from a discussion we had about replacement shells. If you truly werent slagging then I apologize. But it gets hard to explain to folks who are so brand centric.

I generally dont have any problem for you except when it comes to your duties as a Mod and from posts where we have had some disagreements and the underlying theme seems to be more personal and or from our opposite political affiliations.
What problem do you have with my duties as a Mod? Just that I am one?

I have no problem with most of the mods at VDrums. I consider a few of them friends.

On the rare occasions we have disagreed you have always automatically assumed it was personal or political when nothing could be further from the truth (from my perspective).

I admit that yes, the very first piece of evidence I would use is your signature here. The implication that we are not mature or helpful is just wrong and somewhat misinformed. Or that its a tit for tat scenario either way its sad and unoriginal.


Another observation from my point of view is that whenever having posts that directly answer each other you seem to always be negative whether its downgrading an idea for a new product or downplaying a new product that doesnt have any Roland affiliation. Maybe you feel that Roland has done it all and are angered that anyone else has the unmitigated gall to offer something different.
I have never been negative about something just because it wasn't Roland, or been positive about something just because it was Roland. I have criticised Roland for all manner of things, and have even managed to get a few corrected or improved. The anti-Yamaha thing at VDrums is a figment of your imagination.

The goal with this forum was to not compete with any forums but to have a place that was less brand centric and a place where you could say whatever you wanted and not get banned and also a place to go if you were succesful with your bid.
There was no bid and you already had this place anyway.

I actually inquired about the price to purchase VDrums late last year for some purely selfish reasons. Then I came to my senses and decided to keep adding features here and dedicate this place to the highest quality and integrity possible.

Bruce




Bruce, it is my hope that you decide to stay and post here when you find the time. Good luck and keep up the mature level at VDrums God knows they need it. God Bless you and your family. Tom K

[evil1rox]

Hey Bruce...

I gotta tell ya bro...it may be unintentional or web interferrence or whatever...but at times I've found you to be very cordial at the V... then other times (meaning more often then not) a complete asshole. For no reason other than you're a mod over there and can get away with it. That's how I've perceived it anyway.

You know your **** no doubt! I just wish it didn't come in such a rotten wrapper sometimes.

Anyway, water under the bridge, but thought you should know.

E1R

-by the way: way to prove me wrong with the signature! ::) ::) ::)

[evil1rox]

BarT (Bruce):

In the spirt of offering up the olive branch, check out the video demos of the DTX3. I think you'll be able to appreciate more of what the new module can do by those then anyone trying to explain it. I don't think the manual really does it justice.

E1R

[BarT]

Hey Bruce...

I gotta tell ya bro...it may be unintentional or web interferrence or whatever...but at times I've found you to be very cordial at the V... then other times (meaning more often then not) a complete asshole. For no reason other than you're a mod over there and can get away with it. That's how I've perceived it anyway.

You know your **** no doubt! I just wish it didn't come in such a rotten wrapper sometimes.

Anyway, water under the bridge, but thought you should know.

E1R

-by the way: way to prove me wrong with the signature! ::) ::) ::)

Yes, it's clearly important that I know you think I'm usually a complete asshole. Thanks. I don't suppose you'd care to be specific any more than Tom. Especially about how I got away with anything because I'm a mod?

Is my signature here much different to yours at Vdrums?


Bruce

[evil1rox]

...hmmm... does mine say something derogatory? NOPE. It simply shows another forum for edrummers.

Where as yours... just further proves my asshole point.

You can raise you hands in the air and protest all you like Bruce. Frankly you're some dude on the internet with a chip on his shoulder because he read a few manuals and can answer a couple questions here and there that serves a purpose to .001% of the human population.

..Let me get right to the point. You're just a rude asshole typically. Thanks for dragging me down to your level.

E1R

I'm done with you. Say all you like...cry whatever. I won't respond to you futher. If we bump into each other at the V...I'll be cordial as usual... and I'm sure you'll be yourself.

[BobbyMck2]

I don't frequent V drums. And if this is a taste of what goes on there, I'm glad I don't. Is this some sort of personal squabble ? Are there not enough people taking cheap pot shots in the world without starting a feud over what electronic kit you play. Why can different manufacturers not play in the same market. If this attitude was taken up in the automotive industry, we would all be driving Fords. I always said , if the world was run by musicians it would be a happier friendlier place. Maybe not, but maybe there are musicians, and musicians

Can we not have an adult conversation without the "mine is better than yours, mine is bigger than yours" mentality. After all you pays you money, you takes your choice

[WildWes]

Bobby,

I do frequent the V forum and this behavior does surface quite often. Unfortunately, it appears one forum was not enough for this "Battle of the Brands" mentality.

[TAKnipe]

Yes, it's clearly important that I know you think I'm usually a complete asshole. Thanks. I don't suppose you'd care to be specific any more than Tom. Especially about how I got away with anything because I'm a mod?

Is my signature here much different to yours at Vdrums?


Bruce
[/quote]

Yes Bruce your signature is much different here than at VDrums. :D Here it is really big and colorful and you have a scrolling signature. Isnt that cool? You have to admit its pretty cool. And how about the chat feature?

And after we had a nice thread going, why take a parting shot at me. What have I been unspecific about? I really had no idea it was this personal? I have a feeling I know why your angry at me? Are you upset at your complete lack of anything resembling wit?

Are you upset because I dared to start something new and different?

Are you upset because you just dont get it??

Was it Amish schoolhouse Violence that has got your shorts all wound up?

Was it : Dont every fly with a Yankee Pitcher that has you all heated?

Was it the run in I had with Darren at VDrums? Do you know why I had a problem with him?

That dear fellow was anti us and all about being a Canadian, I dont have a problem until the next part (Then wants a deal from a US provider because things are too expensive in Canada) I might have a problem with that. Dont spit in our direction and then say we are good enough to get cheap products from?

Was it Happy Resurection Day- JMan puts out a feel good wish for the most Christian of holidays then proceeds to have to get bashed by the Mensa members of the ultra left and the atheists and the Libs and the regular old Tards. All without a single word of support from a few of you.

Maybe it was my abortion sucks avatar- Well my friend abortion does suck- physically and philosophically. But amazingly enough here at EDrumforum it glows.

I could go on and on. I quite simply dont care whats in your signature, I dont bother with members private space as long as its legal. But atleast its colorful and it scrolls ;) Thats right I said it "It Scrolls"

[BarT]

...hmmm... does mine say something derogatory? NOPE. It simply shows another forum for edrummers.

Where as yours... just further proves my asshole point.
My signature wasn't intended to be derogatory and it's a shame you both took it that way. I've deleted the misunderstood words "mature" and "helpful". (I didn't realize you'd be so sensitive in this haven of free speech.)


You can raise you hands in the air and protest all you like Bruce. Frankly you're some dude on the internet with a chip on his shoulder because he read a few manuals and can answer a couple questions here and there that serves a purpose to .001% of the human population.
Why would I have a chip on my shoulder about that?


..Let me get right to the point. You're just a rude asshole typically. Thanks for dragging me down to your level.
If that behaviour of mine is so typical, could you quote a single instance where I've been rude?


I'm done with you. Say all you like...cry whatever. I won't respond to you futher. If we bump into each other at the V...I'll be cordial as usual... and I'm sure you'll be yourself.
You weren't so cordial when you accused me of muddying waters, lowering standards and making things up just because I asked someone to clarify the differences between Yamaha and Roland modules when it was said they were "very different".


I thought I was invited here to discuss the Yamaha DTXtreme III and find out about its "groundbreaking features never before seen on a module". But it's been more like an ambush with all the unsubstantiated insults, so I guess I'll just slink back where I came from. Perhaps unrestrained free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be after all.


Bruce

[TAKnipe]

:(

[WildWes]

"so I guess I'll just slink back where I came from"

Please do.

[kevincool87]

I can see where you guys are coming from and from which angles. But Bruce, you're saying that your posts didn't intend to show any sarcam and that all you're getting is misunderstood information so you're confused.

But seriously anyone can look at how you go about saying in your posts and immediately pick up some sense of sarcasm in it. If you're not bashing the new or the old IIs module then you could atleast be like a mod and say politely. It seems you take your role as a Mod to be someone who can say anything and don't have to apologize for it when someone takes offense or the wrong way. The fact that some people like Tom and E1R sees wrong with your posts means there is something wrong with it, it's not like they have all the time in the world and would like to just have a go at you.

If you still feel there's no need for correction about yourself and what you've said then I rest my case.

[WildWes]

Good observation and very well put Kevin.

[evil1rox]

Good observation and very well put Kevin.


I agree. I tried to extend the olive branch and as usual... assholish responce for BarT.

It was by no means a purposeful ambush... but whatever works. :) All kidding aside... It's obvious I am not the only one that has viewed his ****ty, condesending, and altogether sarcasticly rude posts as just that.

It was apparently too much for him to watch the video demos AS I SUGGESTED to get a better idea of the new capabilites. I didn't think any of us were doing the new module justice. I said "OLIVE BRANCH" in the opening line of the thread.. To those that are educated...that typically means "I'm offering this as a sign of peace". I didn't want it to degrade to what it did because when I get hot... it's hard for me to stay tuned in as Kevin did! (Great post by the way K!)

If that's the way v-drums is going to be run and represent it self.. I can whole heartedly say "**** you V-drums, it was nice while it lasted...but you got really fat" :P

-PROUD member of the EDrumFORUM-

E1R

-by the way Kevin...I gave you Wuffie for that post brother!

[BarT]

I can see where you guys are coming from and from which angles. But Bruce, you're saying that your posts didn't intend to show any sarcam and that all you're getting is misunderstood information so you're confused.

But seriously anyone can look at how you go about saying in your posts and immediately pick up some sense of sarcasm in it. If you're not bashing the new or the old IIs module then you could atleast be like a mod and say politely. It seems you take your role as a Mod to be someone who can say anything and don't have to apologize for it when someone takes offense or the wrong way. The fact that some people like Tom and E1R sees wrong with your posts means there is something wrong with it, it's not like they have all the time in the world and would like to just have a go at you.

If you still feel there's no need for correction about yourself and what you've said then I rest my case.


I wasn't the only one intrigued by the "groundbreaking never-before-seen features" statement about the DTXtreme III module, or who tried to discover more by asking if anyone knew. I did so as politely as anyone, and being a mod had absolutely nothing to do with it; mods are allowed to ask questions too, and I don't think I used any language I would ever criticise in others.

A week later the only new feature I've found out about is USB storage.

I can't help it if E1R and Tom choose to see an "underlying meaning" when I just ask a simple question and say thanks for the answers. I had no idea Yamaha fans would be so thin-skinned. If there's something specific I should apologize for, could someone please point out the upsetting words?


Bruce

[BarT]

I tried to extend the olive branch and as usual... assholish responce for BarT.


Do you always precede your olive branches with "you're a complete asshole more often than not, just thought you should know"?

[TAKnipe]

Back to the DTXtreme 3 discussion:

The expanded features I find to be impressive.

Sampling
Three way Triggering
New Rack
Increased Multiple velocity layering
Increased layering and stack and alternate modes
Onboard usb connectivity and mass usb storage for lits
The ability to play any midi song

All truly uniques features to the new xtreme 3, previously groundbreaking and truly exciting. I cant wait to own one.

I am wondering if I could sample my kits from my TD-20 and use them to play and record with. Thay way I can keep buying vex packs and still enjoy their artistry without using the module.

The truly best feature I think is the increased sampling size, I can finally find 6", 8", 10" & 12" custom built concert tom samples along with all my acoustic cymbals. It truly makes for realism, how can anyone say that the sounds are uninspiring if they are sampled? I think in capable hands and understanding the features it pretty much has every feature needed in an edrum set.

I definitely love the new kick tower also, eliminates any mesh head bounce and double triggering. The rubber seems to play better on kicks for the most part.

I like the idea of the rack but I allready own 2 of the xtreme2s racks and clamps which are bulletproof and have served me well over the years.

Plus I cant wait to give away free samples of my favorite drums from the shop. I have previously never kept any of the drums I have made, they all have been sold but this time I am sampling them professionally first before they go off to their owners. Hoping to build a nice library for folks to use.

:)

Good night Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.

[evil1rox]

Do you always precede your olive branches with "you're a complete asshole more often than not, just thought you should know"?
Wow Bruce...you might get away with the selective editing over at the V...but you're being held accountable front and center right now you whiny little *****.

1st) I called you an asshole. I sure did. I didn't act like a little back stabbing high school girl and be sarcastic and contradictory to everything that was said. I wasn't and have not been the only one to notice as evidence by the 2 other posters here...and mulitple comments from other users at the V. I also said that if I had misread your intentions I apologize...but it's evident to ALL not just me...or Tom...that you were being exactly the sarcastic pissant I called you out to be. Men resolve issues by bringing them to a head then laying them to rest...little girls perpetuate them such as you have been known to do.

2nd) In having mentioned that I might have misread your intention I tried to be the bigger man and offered you the chance to PM me at the V if you wanted to discuss further. Instead of acting like a grown man... well..you acted as expected....she above and the multiple ****ty responses you've given to myself and others at the V It's wimpy little girls like you that have made this country a bunch of whinning fatasses afraid to confront or stand up for anything. You disgust me BarT. You twist every word and claim foul when someone calls you on it.

3rd) I clearly said you should take a look at the vids as I don't think the manual or any of us could explain it properly when I OFFERED THE OLIVE BRANCH. Didn't I??? Hmm looks like you're not going to get away with your typical bull**** here. :(

Why don't you slink back to your post as "Angry Internet Geek Sitting in the Basement at his Mom's House" over at V-drums? You won't last long here where we can call you out on your bull****...and have posts and evidence to back it up.

-**** off Bruce.
(Sorry for Hijacking the Yammie thread boys...but this BarT jackass won't stop his crap..)

E1R

[evil1rox]

For the sake of preserving the thread as a DTX3 related thread, I kindly ask that any further arguement bbe taken to the sound off section.

I don't think our little pointless feud is really helping the DTX3 discussion at all. (Kinda dissapointed in myself really...sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.. I apologize to those that have stayed on topic!)

E1R

[BobbyMck2]

E1R

I for one have no objection when threads stray off the intended topic. In real life, conversations wander all over the place. It shows relaxation with each other. Which can only be good. So if I don't mind when other people take a topic off the original subject, hopefully they wont mind when I go off at a tangent.

[evil1rox]

E1R

I for one have no objection when threads stray off the intended topic. In real life, conversations wander all over the place. It shows relaxation with each other. Which can only be good. So if I don't mind when other people take a topic off the original subject, hopefully they wont mind when I go off at a tangent.


Well fancy that...I can use the "F" word in a forum...and then still be civil (and apprciative) towards other members..

Thanks for the kind words Bobby!

Man am I glad I came over here!

E1R

[BarT]

Well fancy that...I can use the "F" word in a forum...and then still be civil (and apprciative) towards other members..

Do you reserve the F word for new members? ;D

So far, you've called me a "complete asshole", a "rude asshole", a "pissant", a "whiny little *****", a "wimpy little girl", a "jackass" and told me to "**** off". (Precise quotes available on request.)

Yet you claim I'm the rude one? ???

You say I "twist every word", yet you won't tell me which words I've twisted.

I wish I could understand what first got your knickers in a twist with your perceived "underlying meaning" of my two simple questions, but you won't explain that either.


Man am I glad I came over here!

Me too! ::)


I think this thread is on topic because the subject indicates it's about free speech. I was asked to take a shot at it. (Beginning to sense a slight disadvantage though. :'()


Bruce

[TAKnipe]

Hey Bruce,
I dont think your at a slight disadvantageat all, I am not censoring anyone or editing or closing the thread. And I wont. Say what you need to and then we can all move on and go forward hopefully with a better understanding of what others perceptions are about what we write.

My intention is not to drag you over here to just use profanity. I think I have done a good job avoiding it. I respect if you have a personal problem with me ( I might not agree with it but I understand it) I have strong opinions and I really dont care what others think, if I can be tolerant of others opinions I dont understand why I cant enjoy the same tolerance. That has always been my beef.

I find that the majority of folks on music forums are strictly liberal. Most of my friends are online and in real life. I tolerate their views and for the most part they respect mine. I havent always felt that Mods and others have policed with that centrist fervor.

Tom K

[evil1rox]

Well fancy that...I can use the "F" word in a forum...and then still be civil (and apprciative) towards other members..

Do you reserve the F word for new members? ;D

So far, you've called me a "complete asshole", a "rude asshole", a "pissant", a "whiny little *****", a "wimpy little girl", a "jackass" and told me to "**** off". (Precise quotes available on request.)

Yet you claim I'm the rude one? ???

You say I "twist every word", yet you won't tell me which words I've twisted.

I wish I could understand what first got your knickers in a twist with your perceived "underlying meaning" of my two simple questions, but you won't explain that either.


Man am I glad I came over here!

Me too! ::)


I think this thread is on topic because the subject indicates it's about free speech. I was asked to take a shot at it. (Beginning to sense a slight disadvantage though. :'()


Bruce


Bruce...

Just stop. You know damn well you were being exactly all those words. I'm not going waste time copying and pasting everything when anyone AND EVERYONE can plainly see by rereading all the posts at the V and here, that you were just being a chump.

Knock it off man...you're better than that (I hope). This is getting old and I'm sick of talking about stupid **** instead of drums.

E1R

[BarT]

This is getting old and I'm sick of talking about stupid **** instead of drums.


Good.


Bruce

[evil1rox]

Last thing Bruce,

I used some strong words... so I apologize... I'm sure I've offending you which is not the proper resolution here.

Since I can't seem to tame my tongue...can you do me one favor? Please reread Kevin's post at the top of page 2. He more or less said in a polite manner what I didn't bother to say in a profane manner.

I'm pretty much done with this topic...hope you are to.

Truce? ;D (i'm not asking to be best buddies...but let's just be civil... ok?)

E1R

[BarT]

Truce? ;D (i'm not asking to be best buddies...but let's just be civil... ok?)


Sure. :)


Bruce

[TAKnipe]

There cant be any truce until we have scrolling signatures at the V. Then we can have a truce, afterall its the right thing to do. I want mine to glow also......

[evil1rox]

Glowing...scrolling...?

Sounds like some of that crap that my girlfriend bought at one of those... "TOY parties". :o

E1R

[TAKnipe]

Glow Lube

[Canerican]

"The only time I ever hinted at the possibility of you being banned was when you started plugging, in your VDrums signature, your forum which then consisted of one very negative page. So the sequence of events was very much the other way round. It appears that "anonymous" person was not giving you the whole truth."

Bruce, I am sure that you are making the assumption that it was me. I never emailed Knipe, and you know that I warned him over the possibility of Tom being banned. As usual, I will not say what the possible ban was over, those posts were private and they will remain that way.

Anyways, this whole argument strikes me as really petty.

Really, there is free speech here and at vdrums.com. At vdrums we have a different more conservative approach to moderating, here it seems more liberal. (Although at vdrums.com you really need to do alot to be banned, we have banned under 10 people in the past 2 years (besides spammers)).

Both websites offer great things. This argument over which is freer is just plain dumb. I like both sites because they offer different things, I can get a different point of view for the same topic.

All I can say Knipe, is that if you know the history of vdrums.com, if ever someone threatens another member, whether its credible or not, ban them right away, throw free speech out in that case, or else you will have big problems.

Also, you might want to find a new host, because your site is crawling. ;D

[BarT]

There cant be any truce until we have scrolling signatures at the V. Then we can have a truce, afterall its the right thing to do. I want mine to glow also......


I'd be happy just to fix the parts of Vdrums that are broken; like animated avatars, search engine for short terms (which was fixed before), an anti-spam update, and unexplained hosting performance inconsistencies. But it seems those things are out of our hands and none of it will be possible until there's a new owner.



This argument over which is freer is just plain dumb.

I don't think there's been any debate about that. It seems impossible to get banned here, or even rebuked. But it does mean you have to put up with crap too.


Bruce

[Jman]

OK.... not my argument .... so take my replies as biased as a Mod on the Vdrum forum .... or believe that I am being as truthful as I can....

But I really don't understand where the negative or sarcasm was in Bruces replies to jrcel's posts.

Background.... jrcel is a long time member of vdrums.com since March 2001. Now you might notice that Bruce answers a lot of tech questions on the forum, Bruce is a member since Nov. 2001. Bruce has his areas of expertise. .... jrcel in my opinion is a member that also has something to say in certain areas of his expertise.
He has 1st hand experience with not only Roland products, but Yammie too... along with many other sampling programs.... etc. etc. etc.

So when jr posted what he did Bruce responded with a sincere question... I think that shows an interest in jr's experience.

Here are the posts directly related to this...:
1st jrcel's post
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=283918&postcount=26
Bruce's orig. question:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284026&postcount=29
jr's response:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284069&postcount=32
Tom's input to Bruce's question (I think Tom took it as a sincere question)
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284071&postcount=33
Bruces response to jr and Tom:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284076&postcount=34
jr
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284087&postcount=36
Tom after another member ... quoted in Tom's post:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37332
Then Evil1's post:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284115&postcount=38

After that.... well.... Huh? from Bruce ...

This has been time consuming writing and linking all this stuff... But, c'mon don't you think things are being read into this discussion that aren't even there???

Nobody even said the Yammie module is NOT a module for drumming ... the fact is that Yamaha has put capabilities in this module for melodic use also ... to take things beyond the normal drummer's capability... as Roland also does... purposely.... It ain't an accident....

Hell, I couldn't even get the Pro drummer that was demoing the DTXTREME III for Yamaha at the NAMM show to get away from the tunes he had created on that module long enough to just demo all the acoustic drum sounds... Not because he wasn't a drummer, Not because he didn't like the Yammie drums ... He was stoked on being able to play a whole song with all the instruments on his drum kit...

Anyway... regardless of the outcome of this thing...

Try to think of it this way... If someone says you are a stupid asshole... then you can pretty much read that literally.... Don't waste time reading between the lines... it can get blurry there! .....

Alright gang... love you guys ;D

[Jman]

Oh and I was trying to stick to the exact responses one to another in that thread.

Is Bruce a fan of Roland drums...? I'd say he is... are most of the members at Vdrums.com Roland drum enthusiasts.... Duhhhhh, uh... Yeah! .... But so what??? If I go to the Yamaha forums, or the DDrum forum .... are they mainly fans of those brands.... uhhh yeah... so what??

If it is opinions you want... that's good.... If you need opinions that only agree with your own then you'll have to be surrounded by those who only agree with you.... Boooooring.... I see people post negative comments at vdrums.com almost daily about Roland drums in one way or another ... that's OK .... I like the feedback .... somewhere in there lies the full truth.... J

[TAKnipe]

"The only time I ever hinted at the possibility of you being banned was when you started plugging, in your VDrums signature, your forum which then consisted of one very negative page. So the sequence of events was very much the other way round. It appears that "anonymous" person was not giving you the whole truth."

Bruce, I am sure that you are making the assumption that it was me. I never emailed Knipe, and you know that I warned him over the possibility of Tom being banned. As usual, I will not say what the possible ban was over, those posts were private and they will remain that way.

Anyways, this whole argument strikes me as really petty.

Really, there is free speech here and at vdrums.com. At vdrums we have a different more conservative approach to moderating, here it seems more liberal. (Although at vdrums.com you really need to do alot to be banned, we have banned under 10 people in the past 2 years (besides spammers)).

Both websites offer great things. This argument over which is freer is just plain dumb. I like both sites because they offer different things, I can get a different point of view for the same topic.

All I can say Knipe, is that if you know the history of vdrums.com, if ever someone threatens another member, whether its credible or not, ban them right away, throw free speech out in that case, or else you will have big problems.

Also, you might want to find a new host, because your site is crawling. ;D




Hety Jeff, I want everyone to know that it was not you at all, I wish i knew who it was because they seem to have information regarding things I did not know at the time. It was marked concerned Vdrummer.

Maybe they were blowing smoke up my ass but it seemed that it was a genuine email. It could have been a member who was putting me on. So please dont start reading into anything about my previous statement to Bruce. Thanks, T

[TAKnipe]

Oh and I was trying to stick to the exact responses one to another in that thread.

Is Bruce a fan of Roland drums...? I'd say he is... are most of the members at Vdrums.com Roland drum enthusiasts.... Duhhhhh, uh... Yeah! .... But so what??? If I go to the Yamaha forums, or the DDrum forum .... are they mainly fans of those brands.... uhhh yeah... so what??

If it is opinions you want... that's good.... If you need opinions that only agree with your own then you'll have to be surrounded by those who only agree with you.... Boooooring.... I see people post negative comments at vdrums.com almost daily about Roland drums in one way or another ... that's OK .... I like the feedback .... somewhere in there lies the full truth.... J


Hey Jerry,
I appreciate the comments and agree whole heartedly. I felt a couple of posts from Bruce had a sarcastic edge to them. Also from topics in the past I think there is something of a personal disagreement in all of our arguments because of differences of view point that linger. I am no stranger to that and have no problem expressing my feelings and or opinions.
I dont know if I said this before but the subject line said it all, I feel like if there is something unsaid then this is the arena to say it. No worries and no lingering sentiments of past disagreements. I think I have had an open and honest and friendly relationship with a good majority of Mods. There have been a few times where I was soured by different discussions at VDrums, sometimes those things stay with you.
I never want a personal disagreement to get in the way of a discussion involving products or edrums, so in a sense we took it outside and tried to talk about it. I dont know if any good came out of it but I tried to get it in the open and get rid of the dispute. In other times this has worked wonders.

Hey btw, thanks for all the NAMM stuff at VDrums. I like getting information from a trusted source.

[Jman]

Hi Tom: It's a good thing to be able to clear the air I'd say...

NAMM .... I'd have to say that there was more Edrum related goodies at this NAMM than any I've been to so far. Besides our usual Vdrum, Yamaha, Hart, Pintech ... etc... The DDrum developer jumping back in... Alesis continuing on...
It is apparent to me that the electronic drums in general are beginning to be accepted in a bigger way in the music industry .... Acceptance would mean Demand ... and Demand will create the market that drives the innovations upward at a faster pace... things are changing.

[evil1rox]

Here are the posts directly related to this...:
1st jrcel's post
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=283918&postcount=26
Bruce's orig. question:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284026&postcount=29
jr's response:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284069&postcount=32
Tom's input to Bruce's question (I think Tom took it as a sincere question)
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284071&postcount=33
Bruces response to jr and Tom:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284076&postcount=34
jr
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284087&postcount=36
Tom after another member ... quoted in Tom's post:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37332
Then Evil1's post:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=284115&postcount=38

After that.... well.... Huh? from Bruce ... Don't waste time reading between the lines... it can get blurry there! .....

Alright gang... love you guys ;D


1st off- JMan! Thanks for chiming in bro! (Seriously! I always felt you were a pretty righteous dude!)

- I do NOT want to stir this whole thing up again.. Honestly! But I have to point out one thing that wasn't mentioned... I did clearly in the forum state that I might have been reading too much into his statements: http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37332&page=3 This could have easily been resolved by a simple PM from BarT (as I also mentioned in the body of the discussion at the v, post # 41 in the aforementioned thread) saying "Hey asswipe I'm asking actual questions not being sarcastic." I would have gladly backed off at that point and probably laughed at myself for being a dumbass. I've misread posts before and CLEARLY stated that I may have just been getting a bit of internet distortion.

There was a post which is now vaporized at the V, where I clearly received a sarcastic response from Bruce. His post was something along the lines of: Ah that's what I need a disclaimer. I quoted it and responded: Ok......? Moving on- and then posted a legit question. I thought maybe that was signal enough to him to say "enough of this already". His next response was "I don't have to guess what that was in reference to" or something very similar and then a dig about my signature line.

...instead of stopping the back and forth because we were both being retards it was more of the back and forth...escalated to me getting super pissed (picture a short angry Irish guy...) then blowing my stack.

Now I don't claim to be blameless in the exchange by anymeans. When it came over here I said a ton of stufff that was just plain mean...for which I apologized to Bruce (and I hope he accepted). I don't think Bruce diffused or made any attmept to diffuse the situation either. (He's human..not blaming him, but as a mod I expected a much different response in stead of starting more of the same between us..) I'm not mad or even bothered anymore, just trying to clear the air once and for all.

That being said... I'm done apologizing...and I'm done talking about this dust up. Jesus.. all I want to do is talk drums and make a couple jokes here and there... No need to get all ****ty or sarcastic to someone... but one thing I will not do is take **** from from anybody and not call them on it. (See Kevincool and other's posts...I wasn't the only one that took Bruces comments as such.)

JMan... brother I truly appreciate your insight! I mean no offense, just hopefully explaining my actions and the way it was perceived once and for all. (Sorry if this comes of gruff... I'm just really sick of talking about this topic...)

Enough of this garbage!

[TAKnipe]

Hey Ryan, its all good here. I appreciate that you want to end it but I also think that its ok like we have all said to clear the air.

Maybe I am reading to much into all of the comments or actions, I got the distinct impression Bruce was pissed when he made that huge signature line originally that said VDrums, the Mature place to talk about edrums, then the more clever ,the primary place to talk about edrums. All clearly veiled references but humorous imho. The difference is I would never ask him to remove it, since it is not illegal or abusive then it has to stay.

If someone isnt angry then they sure as hell dont do that kind of stuff. I dont begrudge anyone for being angry. I just wanted him to be able to say what he means, no reason to beat around the bush. If he didnt like something about me I figured here it could have been talked out and the air cleared.

I did however try to refrain from too many obscenities due in large part to prove a point. That with a free forum there comes a personal responsibility to others. I feel it as the owner of the forum to make sure that I dont go over board. I also think that by having that freedom all who join feel the same responsibility to do the same. Maybe I am wrong but I feel that we have maintained a certain amount of restraint in all public areas here.

I did want to say one thing to Jeff, I nor Michael would ever allow someone to threaten anyone. They would be banned immediately, thats goes well beyond a few obscenities and free speech. I just wanted to say Happy Easter and not have to worry about some MoTard from who knows where tell me that the DaVinci Code has now debunked what I hold dear and true. I dont celebrate the Jewish faith but I have friends that do and I have enough class and respect to not stomp on their beliefs. Dam I have friends that are from all walks of life even atheists, not one of them ever disrespected what I believe in and we have discussions that are "off topic".


Say hello to my son Tommy

[Jman]

No problem here Ryan... My feathers aren't ruffled ;D

Happy Easter in advance Tom.... Hi little Tommy... :)


And Bruce.... you prolly should remove that banner ad.... since you aren't paying for it ;D ;)

[TAKnipe]

No problem here Ryan... My feathers aren't ruffled ;D

Happy Easter in advance Tom.... Hi little Tommy... :)


And Bruce.... you prolly should remove that banner ad.... since you aren't paying for it ;D ;)


Dude thats funny, Happy Easter to you too JMan :)

[BarT]

- I do NOT want to stir this whole thing up again.. Honestly! But I have to point out one thing that wasn't mentioned... I did clearly in the forum state that I might have been reading too much into his statements: http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37332&page=3 This could have easily been resolved by a simple PM from BarT (as I also mentioned in the body of the discussion at the v, post # 41 in the aforementioned thread) saying "Hey asswipe I'm asking actual questions not being sarcastic." I would have gladly backed off at that point and probably laughed at myself for being a dumbass. I've misread posts before and CLEARLY stated that I may have just been getting a bit of internet distortion.

My "Huh?" was a clear indication that I had not "muddied the waters" or "just made things up for no good reason" but instead of gladly backing off you continued with, "I don't think I did mistake your underlying meaning though...". I don't see how you can expect communication only in private after you state in public, "You're a mod and should hold yourself to a higher standard." The correction to your misunderstanding then needed to be made in public too.


There was a post which is now vaporized at the V, where I clearly received a sarcastic response from Bruce. His post was something along the lines of: Ah that's what I need a disclaimer. I quoted it and responded: Ok......? Moving on- and then posted a legit question. I thought maybe that was signal enough to him to say "enough of this already". His next response was "I don't have to guess what that was in reference to" or something very similar and then a dig about my signature line.

That post has not vaporized. I don't know why you assume it to be sarcastic. You posted a question about the new Roland module which could easily have been taken as sarcasm, but immediately followed it with, "-I'm not trying to be funny or sarcastic...I really don't get it." I was merely commenting that perhaps I should have done the same thing with my Yamaha question if I had realized that anyone might misunderstand it. You replied, "Ok....???" which seemed to indicate you were confused, so I explained. The reference to a signature was about mine, not yours.



Maybe I am reading to much into all of the comments or actions, I got the distinct impression Bruce was pissed when he made that huge signature line originally that said VDrums, the Mature place to talk about edrums, then the more clever ,the primary place to talk about edrums. All clearly veiled references but humorous imho. The difference is I would never ask him to remove it, since it is not illegal or abusive then it has to stay. If someone isnt angry then they sure as hell dont do that kind of stuff.

"The difference" there seems to imply that removal of a similar signature might be requested at Vdrums, but only political signatures are discouraged there. I don't much like your and E1R's signatures at Vdrums, but you haven't been asked to remove them. Does E1R's big signature at Vdrums indicate that he is permanently angry about something there?


Bruce

[evil1rox]

Ok Bruce...LAST ROUND cause I'm sick of this ****.

DROP IT...there is no winner here. Please stop stirring the pot. It's a draw... DING DING... 12th round is over... nobody wins.
(now I'm being sarcastic ;) ;D) I guess it's impossible for you to conceive your posts as being found sarcastic in tone...even though other members of this forum and Vdrums read the same "intent" in your posts.

DUDE...let it go!!!...all I want is to talk drums and not have someone act all >:( whenever there is an opposing view point.

I didn't type my whole perception of the matter anywhere previously because... I was sick and tired of the topic and still am. Even though it was asked of me, I declined to act further. This whole internet hissy fit that we've been engaged in has me sick to death.

-By the way...the signature at the V... is to let other drummers know there is another cool drum forum that they can partake in. Would it be better if I put this forum and edrumming and DTXperience links..? Now who's reading too much into things.... :o

If you need to win... fine.

BRUCE IS THE BIG WINNER. HE'S ALL GROWNS UP AND HE'S ALL GROWNS UP.

Happy? Please....PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONE. You know I can't shut up if you keep stiring it up bro. Let it alone man. This doesn't look good for either of us...but let's face it...your rep gets more tarnished than mine with you carrying the Mod title and all. ;) Now for the last god-forsaken time....enough already.::)

E1R

By the- your Wuffie is in the negative. I'm holding it hostage but will replace it with an additional one puting your squarely in the black if you can bury this hatchet. Peace bro??? -there's Wuffie at stake here man.... :D

-ADDITION: One last serious request... If you have a problem with Tom... please direct it at Tom. Problem with me...direct it to me. Whatever issue you guys have it's a completely separate issue. Thanks.

(for hopefully the last time in regard to this issue)

E1R

[TAKnipe]

Bruce, Ok now we are getting somewhere, what is your problem with my signature at VDrums? If it bothers you please just ask and I will remove the offending material. Afterall you are a Moderator.

Does it demean someone? I reread it and it seems harmless, I can assure you that it doesnt mean to harm anyone or any site. I do remember another fellow having issues with a sig line, nice guy but cant remember the details of that event. I cant figure out what the problem is with my sigline could be.

Does it belittle VDrums at all? I hope not because beyond personal issues with you I love VDrums and most of the people there.

I really dont think evil1r's sig line says anything other than its growing big, kind of a double entendre. If you have any problem with evr1's sig line what could it be? I think its funny and I am sure Ryan meant no harm by it, he is a funloving fellow and he adds spice to topics.

Mine simply has my personal web site and edrumforum's address. I guess I am baffled at what you dont care for?

Once again we get back to a personal problem with me, if you read some reposted stuff from VDrums you will notice some themes. Maybe thats the problem you are having with me. Or maybe you just dont like wood, or fur. I have a sneaking suspicion its just one thing you have against me, I like the wrong Bennett brother. If thats the case I am sorry :(.

I wish it could be a case where you could understand where I am coming from and we could meet halfway but I suspect that will never be the case and thats too bad. I dont know you from Adam ( ;D Biblical reference to lighten the mood) so its hard to figure out. Who knows maybe you will come around, afterall I did think your sig line here was humorous.

Hey BTW Bruce, I meant to ask you what your thoughts are on the Simple Machines Forum software? As a member do you like the setup and functionality? I am curious because I thought about a few others and almost went with VBulletin but wanted to run this for a few years to see what its like. So far so good, there have been speed isues at times but it upgrades nicely and the techs are fantastic. High speed is just server away. Check out the options for file attachments so many to share with this software. Anyway TTYS, Tom

[BarT]

Dear Ryan,

You have appealed to me before to drop it, let it go etc. etc. and I did.
This time I hadn't responded in this thread for four days, until you dragged up one same old point and one quite new point about yet another "sarcastic" post of mine which had supposedly "vaporized". That was untrue, so of course I responded. If you drop it, I can too.

Bruce

[BarT]

Dear Tom,

I've said several times that I have nothing personal against you. I don't much care for your signatures providing links to another E-drum forum from ours, and didn't like it when people started to do that with edrumming.com either. But it's not against our rules so I wouldn't ask for it to be changed. I did want to see your reaction to me doing the same here in free speech land though. And I think the reaction has probably been what I might have guessed.

Bruce

[TAKnipe]

Dear Tom,

I've said several times that I have nothing personal against you. I don't much care for your signatures providing links to another E-drum forum from ours, and didn't like it when people started to do that with edrumming.com either. But it's not against our rules so I wouldn't ask for it to be changed. I did want to see your reaction to me doing the same here in free speech land though. And I think the reaction has probably been what I might have guessed.

Bruce


Hey Bruce,
Thats great to hear. I kind of knew that was the problem. I am sorry if you take offense to me adding the forum address to my sig line. I thought it was small and understated on the V. Actually, eventually I am putting up a links page here for all things related to EDrums and ofcourse that will include VDrums and all of the sites out there with related source material. I hope you keep your sig here and stay on, ofcourse your welcome here any time. My reaction truly when I saw your sig was laughter. BYW I have absolutely no problem with not being mature. So the first one fit probably better.

If you guessed laughter and chuckling you were correct. Tom

[evil1rox]

Bruce,

As they say on the streets "It's all good baby".

E1R

-PS..I restored your Wuffie hostage ;)

[evil1rox]

-PS..I restored your Wuffie hostage ;)


Well I did...but it was at -1 again so I gave you another one....? Maybe it didn't go through the first time.

Don't laugh...the Wuffie is some serious stank around these parts. ;)

E1R

[TAKnipe]

Whuffies are hard to come by and sometimes even hard to cum by or on. You have to protect them when you get them. Good job on the followup E1RX. I think you have a bright future as a Moderator.

[evil1rox]

Whuffies are hard to come by and sometimes even hard to cum by or on. You have to protect them when you get them. Good job on the followup E1RX. I think you have a bright future as a Moderator.




Now.. that made me laugh!

-although... if offered... ;)

Well **** the bed! Sombody ripped off BarT's Wuffie again...he's -1.

I'm going to get him back to 0 at least.

E1R

[TAKnipe]

[/quote]

Now.. that made me laugh!

-although... if offered... ;)

Well **** the bed! Sombody ripped off BarT's Wuffie again...he's -1.

I'm going to get him back to 0 at least.

E1R

[/quote]

It appears as if we have a whuffie theft problem here at the E. I know it happens sometimes and we will just have to keep our eyes peeled to see who is stealing the whuffies. I have had 8 mysteriously add to my once beautiful total of 2112. Now it is an ugly 2120. Oh well, Bruce, I will send Tigger and Pooh to search for your whuffie and we will retrieve it for later use and hostage taking. ::)

[BobbyMck2]

What is "Wuffie" and where do you get it ? Is there a wuffie shop ?..... I need to get me some of these wuffies, they sound like fun :)

[TAKnipe]

Hey Bobby, I just gave you some more. They are like good karma and you get them from friends. ;D

[BobbyMck2]

Thanks for the whuffie Tom. I've just noticed the give/take on other peoples posts :)

[WildWes]

"Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom"

This future history book takes place in the 22nd century, mostly in Walt Disney World. Earth now lives under the "*****un Society", in which rejuvenation and body-enhancement have made death obsolete, material goods are no longer scarce, and everyone is granted basic rights that in our present age are mostly considered luxuries. This abundance has brought about the end of labor and money, and the only thing that makes one person worth more than anyone else is "Whuffie", a constantly updated rating that measures how much esteem and respect other people have for you. (Wikipedia credit)

For asking Bobby - Whuffie awarded!

[TAKnipe]

10 Whuffies awarded to Wes for knowing the actual terminology.

Thanks Wes

[evil1rox]

I tell ya fellas (and ladies)...

This is the best tasting Wuffie I've ever had... smooth... no head ache after drinking 12 of them... I can't wait till they come out with Wuffie LIGHT! Less filling... great karma!

Wait a minute.. I thought Wuffie was beer.. :o

- (In the voice of Andy Sipowicz...for no damn good reason) I'd like to strike that from the record your honor.

E1R

[CaTaPulT]

I don't know about you guys, but what Linda Lovelace used to do was pretty Wuffie to me, LOL ::)
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[WildWes]

Thanks for the multiple whuffie award Tom, but it was Michael that led me to the book and concept.

[evil1rox]

Well...****.

Bruce...you gotta protect your Wuffie better man...someone keeps picking your pocket.

Pretty soon the I.W.S (Internal Wuffie Service) is going to start asking you some hard questions that I can't be party to. ;)

-just teasing..but guard your stash everyone!

E1R

[TAKnipe]

Hey Ryan, I dont think Bruce reads this thread any longer, maybe but you might be wasting your keystrokes. I dont even think he cares about whuffies. We should scour through all of Bruces threads and find the most celatious material and reinvigorate it and infuse the threads with new found energy. Maybe not reprint or post just list links to the threads and make a contest out of it. If anyone can quote the material that we are looking for then they win a prize.