2box Drumit

[Travis182]

Hey guys

New to this forum, whats everyones take on this new kit? Tried searching for post but i haven't seen anything regarding this. I'm looking into getting a new kit and this one is really starting to tickle my fancy. I managed to get out to Namm and saw the kit (although it was a proto-type kit) and have to say it sounded pretty amazing. I'm not a big Roland Vdrums fan as i find there sounds extremely toy-ish sounding and thats really not what i want in a kit.

Apparently one of the owners of 2box was the ex owner of Ddrum (Electric drums), so thats one thing thats swaying me to holding on for a while as you pretty much know it's going to be a great sounding kit as the ddrum is still one of the best out there. From what I've read on there website also www.2box.se (http://www.2box.se) it's looking pretty good, Use the head of your choice be that Mesh a regular drum head or the new rubber head, there will be 128 fully editable kits on board and the advantage of being able to edit your kits via computer. But definitely have a read on there website as it looks like they have some pretty cool ideas.

Just wanted to give you a heads up and also see what your thoughts are?. Also how it compares to the other kits out there.



Thanks for the advice guys.

[TAKnipe]

My initial thoughts on the kit is:

Sounds incredible!!!!!!!!!!
Limited inputs
24 bit samples
I like the pads
Dont like the rack

I am eager to see what this module holds for the future though. For me it would need to be able to handle different manufacturers pads and be reasonably priced so I could have 2 to cover all that I do or want on my kit.

[OverLord]

I have heard that it is still a bit glitchy, but that is to be expected of any brand-new technology.

I too, would love to know what the price is.

I think it looks great, but that is me. I like eDrums to either look like aDrums, or something completely different. Half shells suck! :o

You hit upon one of my biggest pet peeves about the Roland Module. The factory kits are awful. Nearly useless. They should buy some V-Expression packs and include those with the module. Then you can hear what they really can do.

[Travis182]

I have heard that it is still a bit glitchy, but that is to be expected of any brand-new technology.

I too, would love to know what the price is.

I think it looks great, but that is me. I like eDrums to either look like aDrums, or something completely different. Half shells suck! :o

You hit upon one of my biggest pet peeves about the Roland Module. The factory kits are awful. Nearly useless. They should buy some V-Expression packs and include those with the module. Then you can hear what they really can do.


With regards to the glitching (you can see here http://youtube.com/watch?v=8IGdJzjq5Vg) Bengt the owner i was talking to was telling me that it was a proto-type kit at the show and all the parameters weren't all in place yet i.e hi-hat was open and the module only had 12 voices inside, so every time both cymbals were played it would cancel the other out. You can see that in the video. But even so, the sound quality was very impressive

Apparently the price they are aiming for is around $2900 US Dollars which will be for a full kit!!! That is pretty damn amazing if so. I liked the fact that you can use 3 different type of Drum head though to suit your feel. Very cool idea.

OverLord, thats really the one thing that has always held me back with Roland kits. To me they almost just feel like a gimmick. I was at a gig and knew straight away that the guy was playing an electric kit and it did turn out to be a Roland kit (although not to sure what model) which is not what i want in an electric kit. I didn't get a chance to play the Yamaha but how does this compare to the Roland sound wise?. What is the V-Expression pack?.

I found another video tonight as well, Mic doesn't seem to great on the camera though. http://youtube.com/watch?v=gcUh1RUX3P0

[OverLord]

$2900 seems like the right target price. This kit is going to go head-to-head with the new DTXtreme. so that will keep it competitive.

http://www.vexpressionsltd.com/
These guys do programming for the Roland kits and they do a great job of it. They are meticulous in getting the module to sound like very specific drums. Which really shows off how bad the Roland presets really are. The VEx kits sound phenominal. Its hard to believe it's the same module.

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Travis.
Thank you for the Links to the 2box NAMM videos.
I like the pads of this new kit, I love the idea of being able to change the pad surface between mylar, mesh and rubber, that's kinda smart! :)
It looks like they have a rather large pickup at the top of each drum, instead of a foam piece of any shape under the head.
So far sound wise, the kit being a prototype and all, it sounded pretty good (even with youtube's terrible sound compression), this upcoming kit might be worth keeping an eye out for, see how it evolves, yes, the lack of inputs is a turn off but for those who only need a basic kit with no extras and want decent sounds out of the box at a decent price, this thing might just suit that need.
Looking forward to seeing what it'll be like when it goes into production. Looks promising so far. :)
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Travis182]

http://www.vexpressionsltd.com/
These guys do programming for the Roland kits and they do a great job of it. They are meticulous in getting the module to sound like very specific drums. Which really shows off how bad the Roland presets really are. The VEx kits sound phenominal. Its hard to believe it's the same module.


So effectively OverLord someone buys a Roland kit, then has to buy another companies sounds to make it sound good, which basically means it's not a Roland kit anymore? (apart from the hardware that is) ::) ;)

Am i correct in believing that Vexpressions has no ties with Roland and is in fact a completely separate company? Or am i wrong?.

[OverLord]

Pretty much all correct. But you are not buying the sounds, you are buying patches for the kit. So technically, anyone could do it. Nothing new is added. The TD-20 is capable of producing wonderful sounds, its just that the factory patches suck. And it seems like 80% of drummers use those awful factory patches.

VExpressions is not affiliated with Roland. But I wish Roland would hire them to do the factory patches. Then it would sound great out of the box.

[Hope Drums]

Hey...that's one of OUR endorsees playing on that video....

I wasn't too awful impressed with the drums. They play well, but nothing so spectacular that I wanted to tell all my friends about. I loved the feel of the cymbals! They were relatively quiet, performed well and felt closer to real cymbals over any other drum brand that I have played!

[Travis182]

I wasn't too awful impressed with the drums. They play well, but nothing so spectacular that I wanted to tell all my friends about. I loved the feel of the cymbals! They were relatively quiet, performed well and felt closer to real cymbals over any other drum brand that I have played!


So they play well and you loved the feel of the cymbals but you wasn't awfully impressed, with a proto-type kit with 1 sound?. The frankfurt show is quite soon so hopefully they will have got some more bits and pieces together which we will see soon.

Hope Drums i take it you got out to Namm as well, will you be going to the Frankfurt show?

[Hope Drums]

I haven't heard of the Frankfurt show....is it NAMM related?

[Travis182]

Sorry Hope you might no it better as Music Messe? It's another trade show like Namm yes.

[Hope Drums]

No, we won't be doing that show....as far as I know Pintech only does the Winter and Summer NAMM shows....

I have mentioned to them about doing Future Drum, but they haven't seen anything on it.

[Travis182]

2 new videos from Music messe ;D.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6309

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rDCTXGxqZzc.

Looking pretty damn good! or should i say sounding!.

[OverLord]

Thanks for the videos. It's keeping my intereste piqued.

[OverLord]

Watching the videos again I noticed I missed something major. They have cut a deal with BFD to offer those sounds. Can you say, "whole new ballgame?" And they are working on ToonTrackt offer their sounds as well. If all that comes together, they will have a world-class library of sounds.

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Michael.
If memory serves me right, about a year ago or so Pintech had announced they were working on some "SUPER" module that was going to be something like this.
Running BFD lite of something out of the box, I believed it was going to have a hard drive. This thing sounded really good on paper but yet I've not heard another peep about it since, maybe the developing costs were out of this world and they gave up the idea.
So many people buy these killer modules just to connect them via computer and use BFD, DFH, and so on, why waste money on a killer module to do this, get something like the Alesis tigger IO?
It's a fraction of the cost of a module and seems to do the connecting to a computer to trigger VST's very well. I've seen a online demo of a guy using a RET kit connected to the Trigger IO only to a computer playing BFD.
Many eDrummers seem to be going this way.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[CaTaPulT]

Here's the link to that video featuring a RET kit using Trigger IO and DFH (I believe).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHe5TWmKou4

Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[CaTaPulT]

Here's another video of a RET kit using Trigger IO and BFD, this time it's from Michael's own Future Drums 2007! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNTi6P2cUU8&feature=related
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[OverLord]

The point of the 2Box is that the BFD sounds will be played on the Module. You don't need a computer or receptor to do it. That's the cool thing. I know all about triggering VSTs.

[Travis182]

Exactly what OverLord said ;) ;D

[CaTaPulT]

Good point Michael.
I don't have the time or interest or use to learn all that complex sequencing software let alone loading in vst packs.
So something like a module or a add on card that would contain BFD, DFHS and so on would be really cool, but unfortunately, the module manufacturers probably don't see it that way.
I know that the super module Pintech was talking about a year or so ago was supposed to come with BFD lite if memory serves me right. But I've not heard another peep about that module, so Pintech must have dropped the idea, development costs were probably too much for them to swallow.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Travis182]

http://www.2box.se/Pages/drumit_five_demo.html

Sound Demo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[TAKnipe]

Sounds killer, do they have a street date and where the kits will be available for purchase?

I am intereted in trying this out.

[CaTaPulT]

Man, that demo sounds sooooooo sweet.
If they make that module or should I call it a hardware VST affordable and compatible with Roland, Pintech, Hart, DIY, and even Yamaha pads, this thing will sell like hotcakes.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Axe_Grinder]

Definitely intriguing... wouldn't mind giving that a go...


-R-

[Travis182]

Another video of 2box from Music Messe i found on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psyvqCKlyTk

Very good dynamics from this kit it would seem!. Snare sounds fantastic!. ;D

[Travis182]

New videos of the proto-type up on 2box site.

http://2box.se/