The New DTXtreme3 "Hold you

[TAKnipe]

I read the manual and I am starting to get nervous, I cant find anything that would lead me to believe that the module is capable of handling piezo/piezo pads. This concerns me greatly and reduces the likelihood that the module will have any influence in the DIY market.

I am not going to buy a module with that fire power to use and only have mono toms throughout. I posted the question on DTXperience.com and it was passed over which means that no one knows. Scary because I asked the question and others did also about backwards compatibility.

God I hope I am wrong!!!

[OverLord]

That would truly suck. I don't know enough about Yamaha, but are all the pads on page 109 piezo/switch?

[kevincool87]

That does look odd. Maybe it's just a truncated version of the trigger list. It's missing RHP and couple of other old pads. :-\

[TAKnipe]

It doesnt list any piezo/piezo pads, the external triggers they list are mono.

I do want to know what their idea of backwards compatibility is?

The manual makes mention of 2 zone pads but the last two zone TP ever made was the TP80s and that is piezo/switch.

I am not happy, I called Yamaha and asked Technical support and received no call back. To me that says alot about the topic because their service and support is always spot on. I am worried about the answer to my question.

previously they had a setting for the RHP, these settings were neccesary due to the difference between signals from the piezo/switch and piezo/piezo pads of the RHP. So my best guess all you RHP fans are that you now own the most expensive mono pad in history.

What that means to mesh head pad users is this, all mono pads for toms. Absolutely useless to me and every other diy'er out there. A big giant paper weight!!!!

I could always trigger them through midi BUT I WONT BECAUSE I AM DONE COMPROMISING. I have carried 2 modules now for a few years. I am tired of it.

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.
The RHP settings in the IIs and Xpress IV look for a switch rim I think (not sure), I know I've never been able to get my Pintech AX14 snare's rim to function reliably on either modules and they were set to RHP on both modules. I've given up trying to get the rim to work, if I need a rim sound, I program a pad near the snare with a crosstick sound.
Until the modules are actualy out on the market, I would imagine that even Yamaha's tech support will be non existent until people have had time to mess with it under various circumstances and see what it can do. Right now, only the privilege few have a pre-release of the module and they are too busy to mess with it to answer questions regarding other than Yamaha pads.
There is a section in the trigger setup for user pads I believe, the Xpress IV also has this, this is what I'm using to tweak my AX14 to work better than it did under the RHP settings.
As for the rims, I can't remember where, but I think it was the DTX yahoo groups, someone had posted a diagram of a adapter to make a piezo signal look like a switch signal to the yamaha modules.
Time will tell how well this new modules handles 3rd party pads.
This was one of the features on my wish list over a year ago, to have the ports switchable by the user to accept piezo/switch or piezo/piezo..... another one of my suggestions that went on deaf ears, the other big one was the 128 note polyphony, still 64.
Once a few regular users have this new module in their hands, and get to try out stuff, then we'll know.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

Hi Jack,
The circuit is called the Keith Raper circuit. I heard it works also but would require splitting the inputs into three mono pads. I am working on a fix now.

I wouldnt have minded so much if they dont say its backwards compatible when it isnt. Plugging in a 2 zone pad and getting a 1 zone pad is not compatible. I get that now with my mesh pads. Prior to this I didnt have the circuit for the RHP pads but now I do so I dont need to purchase any, I can just make them. I am going to find a solution to this if it kills me. The problem with me is if it doesnt look professionally done I wont use it.

I am just caught in a position of waiting and wanting to put together a Yamaha Clone custom kit and if I dont know the parameters its over. If I go buy the pads and it isnt compatible I know that I will blow a gasket and literally keep on them till the build the Xtreme4.

When I studied the manual it gives some deceiving information so when I post the question and then someone asks about the RHH135 compatibility with the 2s after my question and the rhh135 question gets answered first I tend to become very very uneasy. If Yamaha decided to eliminate the pad setting for Piezo/piezo then they pretty much have lost any chance of capturing the diy crowd as customers which also means lost revenue for all of the awesome cymbals.

The module has so much potential but they really need to realize the rubber thing has come and gone. I have a brand new set of the TP100 and 120's anyone want to buy them???? Its either RHP or mesh dual zones for me and most of the folks I talk to.

Sorry to ramble but I had 2 RHP kits I was going to buy on ebay and now I am screwed because I had to wait. I am so pissed that I almost want say screw it.

[CaTaPulT]

I have to agree with your frustration Tom.
It's too bad that Yamaha can't have one of their techs hide in a room with a few 3rd party pads, Roland, Pintech, Hart, etc and test them with the new module then report the outcome on the forums.
Something like "The Roland pads won't work but the Pintech will, here are the settings to get the main pad and rim to work, or the rim will not work." and so on.
I don't know, personally, I wish I had living arrangements that would allow acoustic drums, I'd get rid of this electronic **** in a flash. All I want to do is play drums when my hands permit, not have to dissect what brand of pad will work with what brand of module, I spend more time tweaking than playing, it's not why I bought a eDrum kit, I just wanted to play drums. I don't care what the pads are made of, rubber, mesh, mylar, sushi, I just want to play drums, unfortunately, my hands can't handle playing on the Yamaha hard rubber pads, if they were a thicker softer rubber like a good practice pad, I'd probably kiss mesh goodbye forever.
I'm just getting tired of paying top dollar just to get incompatible **** in return.
The way I see it, my eDrumming days might be numbered, if the future of eDrums is only Yamaha pads will work with future Yamaha modules and only Roland pads will work with Roland modules, they can shove their products straight up their asses, I don't need to play drums that bad! They can also kiss all the money I spend on this **** goodbye as well.
Maybe time for a new hobby.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[evil1rox]

... personally, I wish I had living arrangements that would allow acoustic drums, I'd get rid of this electronic **** in a flash. All I want to do is play drums when my hands permit, not have to dissect what brand of pad will work with what brand of module, I spend more time tweaking than playing, it's not why I bought a eDrum kit, I just wanted to play drums. I don't care what the pads are made of, rubber, mesh, mylar, sushi, I just want to play drums, unfortunately, my hands can't handle playing on the Yamaha hard rubber pads, if they were a thicker softer rubber like a good practice pad, I'd probably kiss mesh goodbye forever.
I'm just getting tired of paying top dollar just to get incompatible **** in return.
The way I see it, my eDrumming days might be numbered, if the future of eDrums is only Yamaha pads will work with future Yamaha modules and only Roland pads will work with Roland modules, they can shove their products straight up their asses, I don't need to play drums that bad! They can also kiss all the money I spend on this **** goodbye as well.
Maybe time for a new hobby.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<


I couldn't agree more. I want to spend more time "PLAYING" my drums and less trying to find the right trigger setting...or tweaking or downloading this ****...etc.

I want to play my drums and tune them when needed. Hopefully the housing market will stay ****ty long enough for me to buy a house that has a nice semi finished based. Then I'll be saying "Bye-bye edrums and hello Tama Starclassic! (Or maybe Knipe drums...depends on how super sweet of a deal he cuts me :p)

E1R

[TAKnipe]

I cant agree more. I used to play my acoustics until the omework needed to be done and dinner and this and that. Now its edrums unfortunately. But I want them to work for me not vice versa. T, you guys made my day with these posts. Thanks, Tom ;D

[drum4ever]

Yamaha does seem to be taking a page from the Roland book of "I only want to work with me". It may be time to run the pads through an Alesis I/O and just midi the module or sounds of choice. Not the best solution but better than lugging A-drums around.(and trying the hear the rest of the instruments over the cymbals. etc...)

How long do you s'pose it'll be til they remove midi and go to a proprietary I/O on their modules? geez...

[CaTaPulT]

Well, right now no one knows if the new Yamaha DTXtreme III will work well with after market or DIY pads since no one has one to try, the only few that have them are Yamaha reps and they don't have the time/desire to try this out to let the world know if the new module is 3rd party pad friendly or if it can be made to be that way with firmware updates.
Tom. As for the RHP settings in the module, I would imagine that it's something that can be added with a firmware update, I could be wrong but seems logical since even the Xpress IV has RHP as a setting.
Once the module hits the market, and supply starts flowing, maybe the Yamaha reps will actually have time to look into some of this stuff. Right now I would imagine they are loaded down with every music shop asking them when they can expect some of these kits for their customers. I am hoping that the designers made this thing with a open architecture so that the module can be changed by various firmware revisions or custom firmware, let's say a firmware for people using DIY or mesh head drums which would let you use piezo/peizo combinations and work well.
But then again, I live in a dream world, if it makes sense, the corporate world won't do it.
There was a slip of a rumor a while back that Yamaha is in the process of working on new pads, maybe next year's winter NAMM will be the release of the TP120sd and TP100 replacements? I wonder if they listened to those of us who went to mesh due to the sore hands syndrome for these new pads? Time will tell.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<