Pintech CC102 on DTXplorer

[Renzokuken]

Ok, I just bought a pintech CC102 dual zone mesh pad with EZ tune, for a snare.

Having plugged it into the DTXplorer module and entered the settings shown here.

It works as a single zone but when I hit the rim it sounds exactly the same. I've only just started playing so I have no idea how to fix this. I currently have the pad set up as the instructions on that video show, and plugged into the snare 1 jack on the module, everything else is stock.

Also, if I turn the EZ tune on the main pad right down, the rim makes no sound, if I turn the one on the rim down it still sounds with the main pad sound.

[Axe_Grinder]

at approx 1 minute Bri, Bri states that it is difficult to get a rim sound with the Yami module and the concertcast drums. At 2:30 I do hear a rim though. I just spoke to him and he said he will respond to you here tomorrow. :)

Good luck

[Renzokuken]

at approx 1 minute Bri, Bri states that it is difficult to get a rim sound with the Yami module and the concertcast drums. At 2:30 I do hear a rim though. I just spoke to him and he said he will respond to you here tomorrow. :)

Good luck

Cheers mate, much appreciated.

[Axe_Grinder]

No problem at all :)

[CaTaPulT]

About the only thing I can suggest is the following......
Turn the EZtune dial off for the main pad, use the EZtune dial for the rim and try adjusting it very slowly from off to full while constantly hitting the rim of the concertcast drum, and see if the rim comes to life, if you find a sweetspot on the EZtune for the rim, make sure it triggers reliably. If you succeed with this, then turn the EZtune dial back on for your main pad and adjust it to the point where you get good dynamics, it doesn't have to be turned up all the way.
If the Rim doesn't want to trigger reliably or at all, then the DTXplorer is incompatible with a Piezzo based rim trigger, there is a circuit that can be home made called the Raper circuit but you have to know how to make the thing or know someone who knows how.
I am going to try attaching the Picture to this message which is a screen shot of the PDF file.
Take care and good luck.

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Renzokuken]

Well I tried that and it doesn't seem to work.

Although when I bought it from pintech.eu I did mention when I emailed them I wanted to use it with a DTXplorer module. Nobody told me that it might not work.

[CaTaPulT]

Notice on the video how they don't show how to get the rim to work, just the main pad and that does work, unfortunately, it's kinda partially right information and partially misleading information! :(
That circuit is supposed to turn a Piezzo signal and convert it to a switch signal that the Yamaha modules require for the rims. I've not tried this circuit since I don't know anything about building electronic circuits or even how to read the diagram but there are some on this forum that have tried this I believe, so hopefully they'll join in and share their experience with the Raper circuit.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Hope Drums]

Wow, Jack...that's almost offensive, considering you've known me before I started doing the videos and helping Pintech; and "they" is me! If anything came off misleading it was because it may have been unintentionally missed; it's hard to cover everything in a video short enough to fit on YouTube.

I didn't do anything special to get the rim to work, I don't have the EZ tune knobs in my drums, I don't like them and feel like they are a wasteful idea. The settings that I give in the video are the only thing that allowed me to get a rimsound from the snare. I don't get any rimsounds from the toms. I don't know how more clear I can be by saying it is difficult to get a rim sound using this module.

I'm not a fan of using Yamaha and Pintech (or any other brand mesh head pad) together and steer my customers from that combination. The only reason the video was done, was because there are people out there who have the combination and Pintech wanted something for them.

You are trying to get a module to do something to do that it isn't designed to do. Pintech will work just fine as a single zone and you can get the rim to work, but it's something that you'll have to fool with, it isn't plug and play like the original Yamaha pads.

Now, Ren, the one thing that I don't think I talked about in the video is the sounds. The newer Yamie stuff is set-up to work with a 3-zone pad (I can't remember if this module is, but I believe so), so you have a head sound and two rim sounds. Make sure both rim sounds are the same. Other than that, I can't think of anything else that I did to get the rim on my snare.

Brian

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Brian.
Sorry if you were offended at my comments, they weren't meant to offend or even criticize anyone, I was just stating that getting the Pintech or any mesh head drum rim (Piezzo) is tough on any Yamaha module. And yes, your videos (all of them) are very well done and are appreciated, this was not a shot at you but more at Pintech in general, on the Pintech website when I bought all my Pintech stuff it said that they were compatible with both Roland and Yamaha modules. This claim is only partially true, the main pad head is, the rim is not for Yamaha modules.
As for the EZtune, I disagree with you, on Roland modules, maybe they are useless, on Yamaha modules are are quite useful, using the EZtune (much like the on drum gain control of the Yamaha pads TP-120 and 100 black thumbwheel) you can lower the onboard gain (sensitivity) and actually make the drum have better dynamics since you are controlling the gain of the drum itself where as the gain in the module just amplifies the signal, the whole signal whether it's a soft signal or a hard signal. The onboard gain at max, will make a light hit sound loud, thus by lowering the EZtune gain, you can make soft hits sound soft and hard hits sound hard thus better dynamics. :)
As for the DTXplorer, the only port that is 3 zone is the Snare port and why you couldn't get the rims to fire on the toms! :)
I've been experimenting with the DTXtreme III (I no longer have the Pintechs on my kit but might try them again when I rebuild my kit this summer) I've connected both a 10 and 12 inch Concertcast drum to the snare port of my Xtreme III, I couldn't get the rim to work until I started messing with the EZtune dial for the rim, when I turned the dial while hitting the rim, all of a sudden found a sweetspot on EZtune where the rim started working rather well, I repeated this with the second CC drum and same results, I couldn't get the AX14's rim to trigger however since I don't have built in EZtune on that drum.
The CC drums triggered better (pretty much perfect) as compared to previous Yamaha modules so I may just give the Pintechs another try at rebuild time! :)
Please don't take my comments personally, they aren't intended that way, I'm not a Pintech fan, I'm not a Yamaha fan, I'm not a Roland fan, a product either works or doesn't and when it does, I praise it, when it doesn't, I call a spade a spade, that simple.
Take care.

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

I have been using the second sample snare I made for Pintech on my DTXtreme 3 kit I found that I had a cross stick sound always at a specific point on the rim. I had very few mistriggers with this snare, with that being said I have had no luck with a rim shot at all so far. The Roland clones trigger head sounds perfectly and all I had to do was dial the gain back and strike the drum until my hardest hit barely registered 127 on the velocity scale. For me this is around 7 on the 3.

I believe that I got the cross stick sound for a very specific reason, the rim trigger is screwed into a lug bolt and stuc to the shell so its hotter than if it was just attached to the shell (IMHO) :)

Jack, I hope you get consistent results with the ez tune box, I am interested in your findings. T :)

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.
I wasn't using the EZtune box, these are the EZtune built into the Concertcast toms, my AX14 doesn't have EZtune built in, but I've not tried the EZtune box on it with the Xtreme III, I might have to try that and see what happens. I've heard from a few guys that have tried the EZtune box/cable (external) that it doesn't work as well as the ones that are built into the drum.
My reference to the differences of the module's gain VS the onboard EZtune gain is from my experience with 3 different Yamaha modules being the Xtreme IIs, the Xpress III and IV, I've noticed that by messing with the EZtune (I do the same using the black thumbwheel on Yamaha pads) that I can fine tune the dynamics of the pads even better than with just the module's trigger gain control. Also, Pintech's idea was a good one by adding EZtune, it makes their pads easier to set up and make work (rim not included) on a variety of modules from many manufacturers.
Agreed that Pintech stuff works really well on Roland module, but on Yamaha, they are quite finicky and the rim is a royal pain to make work on older modules, so far, on the DTXtreme III, seems Yamaha built in the circuit to be able to use a Piezzo rim, but only if the rim signal is just right, at least my experimentation has shown me this.
When I rebuild my kit, I will be doing a lot of experimentation with this and if the result's fall short of perfect, then it's bye bye Pintech stuff.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Renzokuken]

Having absolutely no joy so far, it's as if the second trigger isn't there.

The thing that bugs me is I did specificly mention which kit I was using and said I wanted a dual zone pad to use for a snare. I mean granted I'm a newb to all this so I'll keep playing around with it, but if worst comes to worst I may have to return it.

I really don't want to do that, I mean the pad is awesome, and the bloke at pintech.eu even hand delivered it himself.

[Hope Drums]

"on the Pintech website when I bought all my Pintech stuff it said that they were compatible with both Roland and Yamaha modules. This claim is only partially true, the main pad head is, the rim is not for Yamaha modules."......."As for the EZtune, I disagree with you, on Roland modules, maybe they are useless, on Yamaha modules are are quite useful"......"I'm not a Pintech fan, I'm not a Yamaha fan, I'm not a Roland fan, a product either works or doesn't and when it does, I praise it, when it doesn't, I call a spade a spade, that simple."

I tend to agree on these points....I wish Pintech won't make the statement that they are compatible with Yamaha, I've made that request in the past. You can get them to work, but they are very difficult. The reason you stated, in regard of the EZ Tune and Yamaha is why they have continued to incorporate them. When used with Roland drums, I think they are an unnecessary addition. Also, I'm not a fan of any one company either....my current kit is my build, all maple shells, Pintech cross-bar and trigger, Ibanez stereo guitar jacks, Roland cones and Hart heads.....and I have yet to find a cymbal brand that I truely like.....tried Roland, Yamaha, Hart, Pintech and Smartrigger.....

[dschrammie]

... I mean granted I'm a newb to all this so I'll keep playing around with it, but if worst comes to worst I may have to return it.
I really don't want to do that, I mean the pad is awesome, and the bloke at pintech.eu even hand delivered it himself.

Hey Renzo, one thing to consider before you return the Pintech pad is if you like Yamaha's rubber pads at all...because if you return the Pintech pad for another mesh-head pad I think you're going to run into the same headache. I think that without using the EZtune knob or building a KRaper Circuit (which really isn't that hard), you're not going to get the results you want from any mesh-head when it comes to getting the consistent rim trigger. The Yamaha pads were made for the Yamaha trigger so obviously they will have the most dependable results. Many have said (though I've never tried 'em) that the newer Yamaha rubber pads feel much better and are more forgiving than older rubber pads.
Just food for thought.
mmmm....food.

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Brian.
I came very close to getting into the DIY thing, but since I rent and never know when I may have to move, I scrapped the idea since I may have to get rid of drums altogether depending on my next residence.
Sounds like you've built a pretty nice DIY kit.
As for cymbals, what is it you don't like about E-cymbals, the stick feel or the triggering?
As for feel, have you tried a real cymbal conversion? maybe the feel of a real cymbal may help?
I've tried Yamaha, Pintech and Roland cymbals (when I had that TD-20 kit for 3 weeks) and out of the 3, I like the Yamaha cymbals better, not because they are Yamaha, but because I like those better, maybe I'm just used to them more since I've been playing on them for 3.5 years.
The thing that blew me away about the Xtreme III, I plugged in my CC toms (both a 10 and 12") and without changing any settings in the module, their main pad worked flawlessly, and I even got the rim to work (using EZtune), this is a first on any Yamaha module that I've owned thus I am impressed.
I will know more in July when I redo my kit and try out the Pintech's again on my kit, this will be yet another Pintech/Yamaha experiment.
Enjoy your DIY kit, sounds like she's a beaut! :)
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

OH, a little trick I did, I had put a Roland mesh head on the AX14 snare to try getting it to trigger better on the IIs, a really neat side note about this, the Roland head being 2 ply makes a great acoustic practice pad on that AX14, the acoustic noise of the 2 plies actually sound like a low volume snare drum! :)