Crosstalk between 2 modules

[TAKnipe]

Hey Guys, I figured I would put this up for discussion amongst the experts here. My new setup going forward will consist of a Xtreme 3 and an Xtreme 2s. The Xtreme 2s will be running all auxiliary percussion sets and my highest 4 toms. The 4 high toms are TP65 single zone pads and TP65s three zone pads, along with a pcy 65 and a pcy65s. The Xtreme 3 will be utilizing my own mesh head concoction of pads that are shown here. I did notice that one of my mesh head toms was causing a sound from the 2s to sound. I dont know what to call this? (Cross module crosstalk)?

Because of the size 2 7/8" depth on the toms I was forced to forego my usual mounting method and went with a metal on metal rim mount. I am going to utilize rubber washers but wanted to ask about module settings to help this also. Thanks, Tom

[drum4ever]

You're on the right track with the washers. A crosstalk adjustment would likely not help as the 2s can't know a pad was hit on the 3 so you either have to address the physical vibration transfer or lower the sensitivity on the offended pad.

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.
I take it you already have pads mounted on the rack that are plugged into the IIs?
If you do, sounds like these pads are picking up vibrations from the rack, this could be many things, a loose rack mount (holding the rack together), a tom mount touching another mount or a end of tube mount. Also, the IIs may need to be factory reset (if not done already) since the sensitivity and rejection settings may be too hot for your particular layout. I can't see the module itself triggering a sound by it getting vibration but I have heard of this happening. My suggestion is to isolate what pad is triggering from the IIs and see if you can adjust the trigger settings for that pad, gain, rejection and so on, make sure you set the proper trigger type in the IIs, I believe it defaults to TP120sd and TP-100 pads, not TP-65 and 65s pads. There is a chance that when all your pads are in possition, some of the pads connected to the IIs may trigger the pads on the III, it's a matter of isolating the ones that crosstalk and adjust the rejection settings on both module to eliminate the problem, it's a pain in the butt to do but luckily you only have to do it once.
Good luck.

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

Thanks Jack & Drum4ever,As suggested, I am going to do a factory reset tonight then the firmware update before I do anything else. Then I will add the rubber washers and inspect the rack and all the pads, it would not be unusual for me to forget to tighten something. If the crosstalk persists I will hold the rack and see if I can isolate the problem and then try some other things. Rubber is the best Isolator when it comes to vibration so I have a few rack tricks to use, if they work I will post them.

Its like I am on a new adventure :)

Thank You both for responding, T

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.
I believe the module has the latest firmware but a factory reset is highly recommended.
Holding the rack or the pads to isolate which pad is causing grief is a good idea since I've isolated problem pads this way also, also, making a user kit with strange sounds assigned to the pads (like chimes, cowbells, car crashes and so on) is a easier way of identifying the problem pad, when they all sound like a drum sound it's very difficult to tell which is the problem pad since sometimes the problem pad will only trigger at very minimal velocity thus very faint in volume, but if you hear a low volume chime or car crash, it's easier to differentiate between pads! :)
Good luck curing the crosstalk problem.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

Thanks Jack, I will try that also. Its kind of fun trying to search for the answers. There is always a reason for crosstalk, its all in the diagnosis and to find the vibration. I know the 2 pads in question so this wont be that much of a problem I am hoping but I want to find a solid solution. Thanks again, Tom

[WildWes]

Hi Tom.
I believe the module has the latest firmware but a factory reset is highly recommended.

Hmmmm. How does Jack know if Tom's DTXtreme II module has the latest firmware update? Me thinks another Canadian artifact has stealthly crossed our heavily guarded northern border and is now in the hands of a skilled craftsman, bent on carrying out retroactive module experiments. Carry On!

[dschrammie]

of course, the best solution is a completely separate rack for each set of pads to each module. I know that's not ideal and probably not practical...I'm just saying, it's the best solution. The way to pure isolation is for them to actually be isolated! ;) :D

[alviswesley]

Ahh yes, Somtimes isolation is the ONLY solution. Like when I get cross talk from my wife. :)

[Hellfire]

Thanks Jack & Drum4ever,As suggested, I am going to do a factory reset tonight then the firmware update before I do anything else. Then I will add the rubber washers and inspect the rack and all the pads, it would not be unusual for me to forget to tighten something. If the crosstalk persists I will hold the rack and see if I can isolate the problem and then try some other things. Rubber is the best Isolator when it comes to vibration so I have a few rack tricks to use, if they work I will post them.

Its like I am on a new adventure :)

Thank You both for responding, T
In the past, I would just stuff the rack tube with neoprene foam rubber. You don't need the whole tube filled, just between the two pads in question. That might be just enough to work. I hope you get it figured out.

[CaTaPulT]

Hmmmm. How does Jack know if Tom's DTXtreme II module has the latest firmware update? Me thinks another Canadian artifact has stealthly crossed our heavily guarded northern border and is now in the hands of a skilled craftsman, bent on carrying out retroactive module experiments. Carry On!

Si Senior! LOL :D
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

Well all that I did was to Factory reset and increase the velocity percentage on the oand wallah!!!! crosstalk all gone. I forgot how dule sounds. Man I love the 2s a ton, Thanks again Jack, Tom

[TAKnipe]

Hmmmm. How does Jack know if Tom's DTXtreme II module has the latest firmware update? Me thinks another Canadian artifact has stealthly crossed our heavily guarded northern border and is now in the hands of a skilled craftsman, bent on carrying out retroactive module experiments. Carry On!


Wes to be quite and truly honest, I would only be considered a craftsmen if the module was made of wood. But I will tell you this, when the module makes its re emergence it will be retrofitted with new sounds some layered and some sampled. And alas one of my own creations will be in the module also. :)

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.....
I'm glad you got the problem resolved with the crosstalk. :)
As for the getting rid of some of my drum stuff, one of my IIs's was the first step, more to come in July when I rebuild my kit to it's final configuration, what's left over from that build goes up for sale.
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[TAKnipe]

Let me know as you might have a buyer right here. :) I cant wait to see the new kit after Holiday :)

Sometimes we are like big kids, I am as excited to see yours as I am to redo mine. Its like Christmas everyday I come on the forum. Its truly great

[CaTaPulT]

Hi Tom.
I do know I'll be using my TP-65s and PCY-65s on the new kit, the rest of the DTXpress III stuff will probably be up for grabs, along with some odds and ends. The PCY-10 will be used, no way am I getting rid of that little darling! LOL :)
I agree with you wholeheartedly about feeling like a kid when it comes to drum stuff, especially redoing my kit. I too get excited when I hear of someone else working on something new, I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you come up with since you do such beautiful work on the drum shells you make, I'm also looking forward to seeing what WildWes comes up with regarding his upcoming conversion project, WildWes also makes a drum kit look simply amazing.
I will try my Pintech stuff on the new kit at first to see how I like them on the DTXtreme III module, but if they fail to impress me as in the past, they too will be up for sale again.
Now I am so anxious for my holidays, yes, the time off is so important, but hey!!!!! I get to build a new drum kit! w00p! LOL :D
Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<