The DITI, Drum Intelligent Trigger Interface

[Hellfire]

Check out this new product from K.A.T.
http://www.alternatemode.com/2010/images/dITI2.gif

It looks to have some very good specs for a TMI. Have a look:

Are you ready for 2010? (http://www.alternatemode.com/2010/)

[dauzman]

KATS out of the bag.... Knew about this for a while but was told to keep it hush hush... Very cool to see this from Alternate Mode. Look to see it along with Dauz pads setups soon...

[Hellfire]

KATS out of the bag.... Knew about this for a while but was told to keep it hush hush... Very cool to see this from Alternate Mode. Look to see it along with Dauz pads setups soon...
Do you happen to know a price point on this TMI?

Just looking at the specs, Once it ships it will be the most full featured TMI on the market. The VST crowd is going to love this...

[EDrum Pro]

Yes this is my new baby. I have been working with Alternate Mode on the DITI since the beginning of last year with Mario Decuittis the president of the company!! It will be an exclusive to one of the best electronic companies on the planet at first. Someone we all know and respect. We are not showing at NAMM cause of a few new changes to the logic board but we will be selling it very shortly. We are also working on some new technology for Electronic drums for the very serious tweaker that's software based. All I can say is look out we are going to re invent what Electronic Percussion should be for the Industry. If anyone needs to contact me direct my email is s100midi@optonline.net:cool:

[dauzman]

I will have more info in a couple of weeks.... I will be getting one of the first units for testing after NAMM ... I would say it will be less then 299.00. Didnt know when he wanted to let the info out but here it is... I will be posting more info on this once I get the OK from Alternate mode. All Dauz pads will be offered in kit configurations with the DITI. I worked with KAT for years in the late 80's- 90's and look forward to working with them again. Hands down the most pro products available for edrummers .This will be the first TMI that is upgradeable thru USB. and be able to run power to the pads allowing multi zone FSR playing surfaces . A much more flexible edrum solution then those offered by the big 3 at a better price. This is one of the biggest leaps forward in Edrums in years...

[ghostman]

cool.. maybe I'll have to retire my IO!

[JohnDiFrancesco]

Is there a FAQ somewhere that would help a noob understand what the DITI does? Would it replace the brain of an existing Yamaha kit, for example? Could I buy a DTXtreme III or DTX-900 without the $1500 module and use the $300 DITI instead?

[dauzman]

The DITI is just the interface the pads plug into. No sounds included ..

[JohnDiFrancesco]

Again, forgive my ignorance. So I buy a pad set and cymbals from XYZ company and a DITI to plug them into. Then what?

[dschrammie]

The most basic would be that it then connects to a bank of sounds, basically your computer...you'd have a VST like Superior 2.0 or something like that. So you still have to factor in the quality of your computer and the software.

[dauzman]

Then you plug the DITI into the midi sound source of your choice or computer. Electronic drums are really 3 components . The pads the controller and the sounds. Guys have bought a combination controller sound source to be plug and play but they strip down the controller features and sound engines flexibility...

[Scorch Whammin]

Hey Dauzman...is there any advantage to using this as my controller as oppsed to using my DTXtreme III module as my controller for VST?

[dauzman]

There can be. ( If you need to add more pads ) It really depends on what info you want to send out to the VST. If your doing simple note and velocity your DTX3 will be fine.

[TAKnipe]

I am most interested in the DITI, I do have one question to ask Alternate mode.

1) Why would you not have 16 inputs, I keep seeing products that have 10 inputs, 12 inputs and for the life of me I cant figure out why. I am extremely frustrated when having to buy 2 of something just to get a few extra trigger inputs.

Other than having to buy 2 of these, I would like to rethink my personal setup so I may use VST's at home. This is one of the advantages of the DTX 2s that have not been duplicated. The 5 simple y cable splittable inputs gave everyone a config that they could be happy with, the DTX3 took away that ability and thus became less desireable to myself especially for gigging.

[dauzman]

I have to agree Tom, I had just had this conversation with someone. I dont understand why only 12 inputs and not at least 16. How much more could it cost to add 4 jacks ? Im looking forward to getting this unit and will have a direct line of communication with Alternate Mode about updates only time will tell....

[Pink Led Rush]

I have to agree Tom, I had just had this conversation with someone. I dont understand why only 12 inputs and not at least 16. How much more could it cost to add 4 jacks ? Im looking forward to getting this unit and will have a direct line of communication with Alternate Mode about updates only time will tell....
So I'm guessing the diti has 16 jacks then? Why not more since it's just running through vst's?

[dauzman]

The DITI has 12 inputs for control of 24 zones. Its at least as many as the Trigger IO but will have way more functions and better pad training...

[Pink Led Rush]

The DITI has 12 inputs for control of 24 zones. Its at least as many as the Trigger IO but will have way more functions and better pad training...

Any links to a full rundown of all it does?

[TAKnipe]

I am holding out for the 16 or 20 input DITI. In years past of have purchased products that were 80 percent of what I wanted and tried to make it work. Now I feel that instead I should wait until I find a product that covers all my needs. This product holds a great deal of promise but hope I wouldnt have to purchase 2. :(

[dauzman]

Good luck in holding out Tom... You know its a ways off before any ideal product is launched . A good chance to get a portion of what you want but forget about the whole thing.

[cabalestra]

Will the DITI support positional sensing?

[dauzman]

I sure wish it would that sure would be the **** !!! I sure hope they built it into the plan of the unit. Seeing that its only 24 zones I would doubt it....

[TAKnipe]

Positional sensing is something I wouldnt worry about since it makes up for it with Velocity sensing. That to me is much more important for realism.

[Scorch Whammin]

Will the DITI support positional sensing?

Honestly when using VST sounds positional sensing is not that important...it is a nice feature on roland modules...but really not necessary when using VST's:)

[cabalestra]

Honestly when using VST sounds positional sensing is not that important...it is a nice feature on roland modules...but really not necessary when using VST's:)

I tend to disagree. To me getting different sounds in relation to were you hit the drum greatly improves their realism. At the moment you cannot simulate that with VST’s only (not that I know, at least. You need a positional sensing module to do that).
Velocity sensing is great but does something different: it reproduces the different sounds you might get from a drum being hit on the same spot with beats at different strength (light to hard strokes).

[dauzman]

IMO Positional Sensing is the future of drumming. It has yet to be applied correctly. Roland stuff is not really position sensitive. Its true ,position sensing wont do much with the current VST sound sets. A much more complex sound set per pad would be needed for positional sensing to be optimized for a multi zone FSR pad..

[xxldrums]

Hello all,

just registered since I found out about the diti.
Looks very interesting,I ll keep an eye out on this one!
Just thinking out loud,wouldnt it be great if a device like this had an audio interface in it?would that be possible?

[evil1rox]

I tend to disagree. To me getting different sounds in relation to were you hit the drum greatly improves their realism. At the moment you cannot simulate that with VST’s only (not that I know, at least. You need a positional sensing module to do that).
Velocity sensing is great but does something different: it reproduces the different sounds you might get from a drum being hit on the same spot with beats at different strength (light to hard strokes).

Here's the thing though...

-when playing by the rim for example...you're not usually using hard pounding strikes. You're normally playing a lighter or more nuanced feel. The velocity dealie gives the same effect because you are playing lighter strokes.

6 on one hand half a dozen on the other.

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[dschrammie]

Hello all,

just registered since I found out about the diti.
Looks very interesting,I ll keep an eye out on this one!
Just thinking out loud,wouldnt it be great if a device like this had an audio interface in it?would that be possible?

Hey, thanks for joining! Glad to have you here...although, to be honest, I think the odds are likely you're a little over-qualified/too talented for this lot! ;)
Welcome! Looking forward to plenty of input from you!

[xxldrums]

:)
I m a newbe when it comes to the technical side of edrums,so there you wont find any input from me there ;)
From a drummers point if view it might be a different story since with some of the latest edrum developments I wonder when they showed the product to a drummer after all the math was done ;)

This diti got me interested,it could be the missing link I m looking for ..

[jrcel]

I've been pestering Mario for a soft Drumkat for years, I wonder? All the fancy stuff on the the pc with a simple Kat controller you just USB into it. It could be any multipad or collection of pads with a user designed interface based on individual modules the end user could configure however they wanted within a master matrix. The other end would use a simple Midi Yoke to rout to whatever soft synth/sampler they preffered. Simple, easy to upgrade and low cost. It'd be nice, yessir, it'd be nice. Oh my, this picture is way to big, yikes.

[dauzman]

I have to agree with you Jim... Great to see you here !! Mario says 2 months till the DITI is out....

[jrcel]

Cool. How have you been Dan? It's great to see you. Thnx for the friend request, it takes me awhile, but I get there. If I remember right the idea for a software based pad interface with a breakout box is yours, isn't it? I remember it was on the last page of the catalog with stiff pages. You could have up to 128 inputs with flexible routing with video control. Stuff that Roland is just getting to now, and yours was, what, '95-'96? OK, who's the innovator? It's still the American makers, Mario had zone intelligence with the Pro Pad. All that stuff should have seen the light of day.

[dauzman]

Yep .... Thats true 1995 .... Sure is sad to see how much credit guys give Roland ,Yamaha, Alesis as the leaders in edrum technology... Its the little guys who sets the stage. Yet few really know what innovation really is. What Kat and Dauz did in the late 80's and early 90's pushed the envelope of the instrument of electronic drums. Since then the market has been force fed rehashed crap and dumbed down instruments and no one seems to even know ...

[ghostman]

Again, forgive my ignorance. So I buy a pad set and cymbals from XYZ company and a DITI to plug them into. Then what?

Then connect a MIDI cable to a MIDI source.
Keyboards have drum sounds / sets (I use one)
Drum Machines
MIDI samplers / sound machines
Laptop running VST drum software.
Other Module with onboard sounds (use the DITI to expand)

[Pink Led Rush]

Then connect a MIDI cable to a MIDI source.
Keyboards have drum sounds / sets (I use one)
Drum Machines
MIDI samplers / sound machines
Laptop running VST drum software.
Other Module with onboard sounds (use the DITI to expand)

Wait, so I could plug it into a keyboard! That's excellent news. My sis has a sick keyboard and has like at least 15 drum kits on it that are pretty cool.

[ghostman]

Wait, so I could plug it into a keyboard! That's excellent news. My sis has a sick keyboard and has like at least 15 drum kits on it that are pretty cool.

If it has MIDI in, yes. what kind is it? I can help.

usually, the lowest key on the keyboard is 36. Set one of your inputs to trigger midi note #36, and hit it. then tap the lowest (furthest left) key. The same noise should play.

You can play piano on your drumkit. limited, but you can.

For easy / quick reference, on my keyboard, I took a sharpie and wrote the numbers on the keys (well, every 5 or so). I am sure your sis won't want to have the MIDI note numbers written on hers, tho.

[Pink Led Rush]

If it has MIDI in, yes. what kind is it? I can help.

usually, the lowest key on the keyboard is 36. Set one of your inputs to trigger midi note #36, and hit it. then tap the lowest (furthest left) key. The same noise should play.

You can play piano on your drumkit. limited, but you can.

For easy / quick reference, on my keyboard, I took a sharpie and wrote the numbers on the keys (well, every 5 or so). I am sure your sis won't want to have the MIDI note numbers written on hers, tho.

Yeah, it's a Yamaha Motif something or other. Yeah, I'll just write on paper somewhere. Won't have to worry about it for a while though since I have no kit currently anyway.

[Hellfire]

Any news yet as to when the Diti is going to be released? I would like to buy one of these as I'm in need of a very robust TMI. Will it still have the FSR support?

For those that don't remember, here are the specs of the Diti:

* Twelve stereo input jacks allow up to 12 dual zone pads or 24 independent membrane switches.
* Can also be used with continuous controller HiHat input.
* On-board microprocessor allows 1024 levels of dynamics.
* Each pad is preassigned its own channel, MIDI note number, velocity range and response curve - which can be fully "trained" for superior response.
* Features a greatly simplified control panel.
* Global instrument changes can be sent quickly via SYS EX from a PC

[drumslinger50]

The Diti looks good to me. I tried to run VST (SD2,0) earlier this year on 3 different computers with an IO with no luck. Invested a ton of money and all that stuff is sitting on a shelf. Maybe this would work for me. I love the sounds of the SD 2.0, but I couldn't get a stable set up. If I can't gig with it, it is worthless to me. I just can't have the VST decide not to work in the middle of a set. When I get my studio set back up I was going to try again using my DM10.

[dauzman]

The DITI has had a few set backs but still moving forward. I should have some new info since I should be seeing it this week. It will still have FSR support as well as a bunch of other cool pad controller features.... I will keep you guys posted ...

[EDrum Pro]

Just want everyone to know the DITI is finished and will ship in late April. I will have the final product next week after the NAMM 2011 show closes today in Anaheim CA. Will comment after I get the Inhead skins from Miditronic. I still waiting on the 16" but have the 8" and 10" all I can say is OMG!! This is a serious development for the E Drumming Community and Roland's mesh head technology is now old news!! Its about time.

[Hellfire]

Just want everyone to know the DITI is finished and will ship in late April. I will have the final product next week after the NAMM 2011 show closes today in Anaheim CA. Will comment after I get the Inhead skins from Miditronic. I still waiting on the 16" but have the 8" and 10" all I can say is OMG!! This is a serious development for the E Drumming Community and Roland's mesh head technology is now old news!! Its about time.
Excellent news. I been looking forward to the DITI since I first heard of it and now the Inhead. Thanks for the update. I look forward to your comments about the products. Have you thought about the possibility of doing a video to show case these new products?

[dschrammie]

Someone in another forum said Alternate Mode didn't even have a booth at NAMM this year (I have no idea if that's true or not...just what I heard), so most had assumed that the DITI was either nowhere near production, or was shelved completely. Sounds like that's no the case, eh? Would love to hear more about when this is completed and out on the market.

[dauzman]

Its coming.... It will be a few months... Alternate mode showed their NEW products in the Aquarian booth. They showed the DITI, the inHEAD FSR drum head, Rim pad and a multi functional pedal... Its all filtering down and I would guess more concrete info should be coming out very soon now that NAMM is over... On another note while at The show I found one lone DAUZ drum pad on a kit some of you guys might recognize...http://dauz.com/NEIL/DanNeil001.JPG

[EDrum Pro]

Someone in another forum said Alternate Mode didn't even have a booth at NAMM this year (I have no idea if that's true or not...just what I heard), so most had assumed that the DITI was either nowhere near production, or was shelved completely. Sounds like that's no the case, eh? Would love to hear more about when this is completed and out on the market. You need not assume anything. Just because they had no booth your dead wrong. The DITI wasn't shelved. I just got one shipped to me and it was shown at the Aquarian Booth cause it Part of a new company with Alternate Mode called MIDITRONIX. The DITI is finished ships say MAY early JUNE. The INHEADS I have them just waiting on a 16". And trust me it works like no piezo transducer and mesh head. Get ready for a new kid on the block. Watch what happens at DAUZ DRUMS. Its a beautiful day in the neighborhood!:D

[Drumlord]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to lodge a formal complaint with someone over this. How dare you come out with something so monumentally cool and then make me wait to get it????

I'm kidding, of course. You guys have done something truly innovative AND it looks like the first really viable alternative to the Big Guys. As one of those people always looking for better e-drum choices I applaud this kind of forward thinking!

I am really looking forward to checking out these products!

[dschrammie]

I like the idea of innovative products....but I do think the inHead is limited to a specific niche - that is, drummers with acoustic kits that want to trigger signals with tom/snare strikes. Unfortunately, for right now at least, it doesn't serve the edrummers that don't use acoustic drum heads. I'm hoping that the technology can be developed further to include edrums for those of us that are looking for very little acoustical noise.